Percy Livingstone

Percy Livingstone Side 2

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I was saying above I can't hear myself what's your moved to sorry about the delay.
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They say that Gordon Craig got his knighthood because you know they mistook Warden Craig to do that story. There was a very famous designer called Gordon Craig theatrical designer who was supposed to be excited enough to ask an insider if there's any substance to them and I can't say authoritatively on that but I believe that Gordon Craig got his knighthood for his activities in filming in. And also he was a great friend of the Tory party.
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He was a great friend of the Tory party. Yes he was. Yes I believe. Of course he's made his running mate was a single parent with an appointee of Lord Rubbermaid.
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They were very close.
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He was the ADC to Lord rather Mary in the water.
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The child was Ed oh Mary was the 14 18 or yes yes.
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Well Im sure well talk about British movie terms. Well go back to Leeds and how does it feel. What was the structure within the office. What were the areas of activity that various individuals fulfilled. You were out on the road most of the time. I was out on the road most of the time there were Klarik call them booking compar unwrite which you knew the entire outliners time as the accounts department invoicing department the branch manager of the local guard and you had the technical department repair.
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Film repair group.
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That type of thing that was your establishment was it.
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How to phrase it a comfortable existence something by which I mean was there job insecurity or were there enormous pressures on one.
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I wouldnt say there were enormous pressures now. I think it depended on the company you work for a company that shall be nameless was Bidar Hindman firearm operation.
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Does it have to be nameless right. Okay yes youre going to be discreet in these matters are you. Yes in that respect there are two companies that both been named but certainly with 20th Century Fox there was a degree of stability you did your job never felt. You were being under. Unfair pressure yes there's one story about another company I must tell you and the boss this company quite a tyrant. And
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. A story when somebody said Oh Mr. soundso Mr. So-and-so is your salesman and he's dead in the toilet.
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And the answer was well take the contract out of his pocket and then ring that chain right.
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Can you remember the exact point at which the Fox film company became 20th Century Fox. What you were doing and how it affected life for the employees.
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I can't give you an exact date but quite frankly I don't think it made much difference at all. We we sort of stepped out a bit although because of the product that we acquired with the knowledge that the producing company 20th century
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. Had such a fine reputation and as a high class program or you fell immediately much more important and much more respected by our customers. They must have been a very great loss to United Artists United Artists always seem to have other suppliers coming in. But there must have been a big glass. Yes yes.
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Do you remember some of the particularly successful pictures that you were handling. Shirley Temple ruled the roost for quite a number of years. Temple was the number one. But certainly the type of pictures that was being made by the 20th Century Group was Lamesa our
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. House Rothschild message to see it and these you handle it right. Oh I thought they were before the merger but I wasn't asking for your Newsround we inherited.
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We still handle it right. It was one week to go right here. But then we had all those special and all went down and literally Fox Yes and Alec had
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. Wonderful reputation pictures that he made indeed. Well yes.
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So I know the question no I went along with all this at that time the quoter movies are being made and you were required to handle if not all the the British import Fox British quote a quick quote a quick is afoot. Yes yes. What are your memories of those. Well they were rubbish.
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With an odd exception but one phone call was made with James Mason. It was early in his career but it was good for me. I do recall that scimitars used to play them before the audience in it in the quoted book. I also remember certain exhibitors who said well if you play the opening reel and the last and nothing happens in between and these to just go down the middle all together. They were not respected. They were programme followers. They didn't do anybody any more. But we did.
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We made them we made them at Wembley studios for 10 years and then made them spacially for well just recently coincident with the publication of Mickey Prowl's second volume of autobiography. A couple of his quota films and one of which was Fox made at Wembley did you. Did you happen to see there it was on television about two to three weeks. Which one it was the title for the moment escapes me have a terrible memory of back but it was surprisingly good in many ways it was a great surprise to me. I have some very sharp dialogue and some not bad performances. Mind you it was Mickey Paul so many people are beginning to emerge.
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But anyway it was just interesting to see the Rolling Stones with let's me. Yes it was called Artist course report but there were there were inconsequential.
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What was the office attitude toward them. Did you handle them with disdain. Was there any effort to market them or were they just had to market them a bit at the plane.
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Yes. You were the exhibitor obviously didn't make much of an effort to reach an audience with the distributor. No well no distributor
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. Sold them and got both to the exhibitors programme maker.
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Yes exhibitors did with them was a deal but they said your only response to experience what the public launch was true.
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But were they regarded with disdain knowing what they were they everyone.
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Yeah yes they were.
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And I think rightly because they were they are very very cheaply made and were made for a specific purpose just to come to confine themselves within the law. Nobody really took that picture seriously. But if one may emerge. It was that I remember personally having one dealing with one that was quite a picture called the Riverside murders. For some reason or another I did a one man publicity stunt and sending out postcards teaser postcards to exhibitors. Now. Who can make the riverside. Did you know Arnstein there was a teaser. But you just played as a second feature.
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By right it would play with an American picture presumably yes yes yes.
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It was very good. Let's just say rumours emerged as kind of playing with this particular film.
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Yes as you say they were made at Wembley and after all there was a very sizable operation at Wembley which had to cost money. So Im curious whether or not somewhere someone was making an effort to make profitable pictures or just fulfilling the legal requirements which was what you know a pound for six rebels I think was the quote or act reply. I honestly can't tell me I wasn't near enough to the production party but I would mention that. They possibly made an attempt on an occasion to make
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. A film to justify the cost of the studio within the structure.
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It's an interesting period. I think we dont see clearly nowadays because there are so many legends involved. I was quite surprised by the quality of this film that Mickey made. But as you say I yeah yeah know the extent to which a quota director would have that kind of influence is in itself interesting. Have we done justice to the time and the activity. Do you think that that period of your life I would think so I would think so. I think there may be something of that comes back at 0 2 when we drop it in a sense. So all this time as a salesman you presumably are eyeing the next step step up yes I am working towards it.
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Yeah well because you cover the mike so it also reduces your voice right. Yes I was obviously hoping one day to become hallowed gentlemen as a brand manager and
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. That came about because two things occurred my Branch Manager was taken ill and he did some domestic problems.
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There was no certainty is the number one salesman would. Obviously in due course take over that managership I remember on one occasion when both away. And. The sales with the doors phoned me in the morning because I was just running the office and having things moving. And he said well. You know Livingstone So you liked it that you were on the job so early that morning. Very pleased with the report you make and so of course I was on the job early in the morning but I was at home and. 11 that just got me. The Office and got through tomorrow and I didn't have even time to contradict him. But from that day I think that was I still think that was one of the instrumental things in my promotion because within three or four weeks I was asked to be the branch manager in Ireland and that's how it came about and it was quite unusual because I was not 30 and those days with Fox you really had to grow before you were elevated at all is rather different these days. But I was invited to be the branch manager Dublin branch.
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Im going to change your battery through resuming with a fresh battery. We are about to depart then for Ireland.
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Oh yes. I went with my travelling case.
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Let's talk some more. I was single but I was so happy on staying that way. And in fact my parents came to Liverpool to see me on board ship. I really felt like Christopher Columbus. I remember one of the first faux pas I made was already on board ship as a priest Catholic priest poor and we were chatting away. Tell him where I was going and. He said Are you married. I said no. I said are you.
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Was consternation then go down and trained as to how he was married to God but that was the first time that I made.
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I had a very you know I only as a joke you are very very far. Oh no it's quite a marriage. You know I only really knew so little about what was going on. The manager stayed with me for about a month and
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. Now I was on my own. No I say I. Am very well with the Irish people are a very nice crowd and very nice people indeed. I learned a lot from my sojourn there which was for several years. After I'd been there. Less than a year war broke out and was lying in a local neutral country.
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I went to Belfast because Belfast was also my territory was all Ireland I'm going to Belfast and volunteering.
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Volunteer for the Air Force then a message came back to me via Dublin. Stay put and thing I dont talk about but there was various
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. I did meet in the course of my operations there. Lord Martin Quigley guess now Martin quickly Tunie at the time and Martin and he was doing a job under cover and
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. He went to see the pope. Then he went to Japan and did all kinds of things and we became good friends and it was only some time after the war that. He said to me because keep in contact then finally make me a local director for a motion picture here and at that time and he said you know I knew you were up to something.
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I said well I knew what you were up to as well. But his was a much more official band than mine mine was local. I was on a world basis. He was. A member of the Motion Picture Association and he was in that capacity that he was wandering around doing various things.
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Sorry but we became very good friends and we exchanged Christmas cards for years afterwards and each time his Christmas card became broader and broader because he had a new baby every year and there was always a family photograph. So he used more space but we did keep contact. I'm sorry I've lost contact with him this town because I know he's a very fine man here the love a very a very good work.
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Is he still alive. I believe he's still alive. And this is the founder of motion picture analysis of the sun.
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No embargoing research now Alan Quigley points where some of their family came from. Now he was Martin Quigley Junior.
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Yes right now I dont know if this is a touchy subject at all. You say you dont talk about it is it that you may not talk about it or you choose not to talk.
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Its a combination choose to talk about it.
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But you were doing things unofficially.
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Theres one area sort of reason can I just mention Yes I was working particularly for good reason and is closer to the Americans the British side were keeping quiet the Americans were able to move around a bit and the minister there was a man called David Gray whose wife was a niece or a cousin or was related to Roosevelt.
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He was a very very prominent man Neros well just on getting back to Martin Quigley can you say whom he was working for was that the what was the goal of the American the Donovan lot or. I don't know. You don't know.
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No no no no. I know that he actually wrote eventually in the Catholic Herald on this because the period of limitation in America is shorter than it is in this country.
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And the his activities were being publicized and he thought well if they're going to publicize it he'd get in first.
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So you hear about it and sent me a copy of it. And actually America has a very different attitude towards secrecy and openness.
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Did you know of Alexander Cawdor being involved in any of these covert activities.
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No. No. I knew through all my old Michaeli through Schaus Alexandre Korder but I know all
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. Too well the film industry lent itself to this sort of activity did it not because there's so much travel in so much congestion. I must say mine was chiefly
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. In connection with propaganda into this and working with the Americans about it.
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Q What was your operation in Ireland. Well I was the branch manager from the island right. So you're the senior figure. Oh absolutely. And
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. Also there was a long period there because of the problems between one country and the communications where you had where I had the complete authority of all the activities there without having to go through head office all the time.
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So it was a very interesting time and it was a testing time and I handled some very very useful pitches for that like some of Bernardet science and of course that was a wonderful picture and I decided to give that special treatment.
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I applied for couldn't miss it and I often couldn't miss.
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But there are ways to make money for this and by the government saying it was a bit longer than normal and could charge increased admission prices by doing this. Then I got authority to do so and. I was able to get some some testing results in Ireland.
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But what will normal because as you say was yes I used to go into the Metropole probably every day after lunch and watch the same miracle being the point. That's right.
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How did the company regard Ireland as an extension of the UK. Yes normally I was but I suppose paying some attention to certain sensitivities of Catholicism and well that was the that was a matter of the sense. I must say there was a Protestant Protestant sense in a Catholic country a man called Mongomery and. I. Had. A good recollection and find it appears that I thought I would have great difficulty when he passed. Those and their little illegitimate child in it would be really
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. Good reason for him to reject them. And I asked him why it happened to us without any problem and he said Well there are no such things as illegitimate children only illegitimate parents. I wonder why light in life.
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Yes yes he is a wonderful man I was one of them.
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Are there any experiences you remember with the censor demands that he made. Well I suppose the fact is that the production code of America was essentially Catholic based anyway.
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Yes but there were certainly there were problems.
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How Green Was My Valley and we passed the pass of the film.
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But the book was not passed and I asked the book censor and afterwards father while under cartlidge name. I'm sorry but a friend of mine who is a Catholic father why. And he said Well I think he sent to me I think that it's a book that should be in the hands of every teenager he said. But there's just one scene and that is the illegitimate sex on the mountain. Is that the reason they couldn't see but it was quite in line too. I found many of them were very enlightened people are excellent people and they would like to therefore their drink and they did the gambling and they were very very keen on winning most of us have very nice people and it was then a very poor country was it not. Yes oh yes employment was very very poor and several of them used to come over to England to join up simply because there was no job with the U.S. come over to work for the refugees or go to the States. So certainly they were
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. Employment situation was quite desperate. Was it a movie conscious country.
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Very yeah very. Movies there had a higher pro rata patronage than they did in England.
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Was the business pattern similarly in terms of admissions and the type of cinema that then was playing the films.
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I would say so. Dublin itself had some excellence in them its first class in the US and. The country cinemas were very poor very poor indeed but the public just lapped up and love going to move in
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. Say a prevalence of cinemagoers was higher than it was in England.
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Were you tied to the office or did you get about oh I got about.
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I was in the office and a part of my job was to go to Northern Ireland quite a bit because that was equally my territory. I used to travel around the country very frequently and keep contact with the public and with customers and so on.
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Would you also sell or was that strictly for salesmen's.
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No I would very often go with the salesman and we would both do it.
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And I didn't go around on my own territory. I am the only territory I kept for myself was in first round Dublin and perhaps another one I used to do draw in drawing it droid's things to put a couple of situations like that. People used to come in the I. I didn't go around the Territory selling. I went round the house keeping contact with the customers and accompanying soundmen from time to time where we only had in air and we had two salesmen and we had one in Northern Ireland.
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Whom did you report to in London. My sales manager who was then was the same man as to certain doors numbers there's Mr and Mr Phillips
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. Yeah forgot the recent one where you left pretty much on your own or did you have to report regularly in some detail.
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I was given a pretty free hand. I did report what was going are one and done but I was I left I was left to a pretty free hand. There was no particular problem. The other a sales manager that I did answer to was a sales manager for many years and became managing director of British managing director was a man called Jim Parkinson. James Pattinson yes he was. He'd been a salesman and Gurmit all and he's made assistant sales manager and he was made sales manager and then he was made the first British managing director in the United Kingdom and eventually after. On. Little contretemps when I left the company for about a year
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. I succeeded him as managing director.
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Suddenly I were jumping considerably far ahead. Well you're right. One question about Ireland was that perceived as a profitable territory. Yes it is and they just had to be.
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Oh no no it wasn't all the costs were low the cost and how well the staffing was not expensive and the results of the movies were excellent. And of course doing Northern Ireland also from the Dublin enough office was an add in proneness to it as casting point of view.
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Any great disasters or triumphs during during your stay there that you recall your perceived presumably in London as the coming term by this time.
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Modesty aside yes yes I suppose that's true because as young men guard their experience. I remember one time which may be sort of just a throw back
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. Which doesn't come under either category but while I was visiting Northern Ireland one of the worst blitzes of Northern Ireland took place. I remember being in the GrandCentral hotel with my helmet on and the little sand and a bucket or two and then going around there the next day and just devastation. When a raid goes down next day see things cars it's ticking right up in heaven for the same as your 10 minutes but it was very worrying. Well again covering that period is there anything more specific to be said and I suppose really the handling of Bernadette by having a natural picture there was a wonderful one for them but then doing that extra by innovating.
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I suppose that means as much good as anything else. KERRY Yes and on one occasion when my sales manager came over and my managing director came and called and American corn Francis Harley and they said well the first vacancy that they would have. They would move. Around. And make further progress.
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I said well anywhere but Leeds believes in glass. That's my arm chair. I know it so well. So of course in true style first vacancy that came up was to me to go as a special representative to Leeds co-author a man short and they wanted to. Always the way here. But that's how that move took place. There was special representative in England for several months perhaps a year or two and then made sort of officially a supervisor of half the country.
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I was the southern supervisor and another gentleman's maid and all I was really getting into big authority years is the war over what period we reached yes yes the war is over now. Or is there.
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Yes.
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So this no embarks on a further error in your career. Yes you're still a young man. Yes I suppose really it then embarks on several years of my being a supervisor combine then with assistant sales manager and then the salesmen into the
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. Three sort of telescope there and I'm very happy as the sales manager for several years and was in complete charge of sales for all the United Kingdom including Ireland of course.
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And I was really getting into an area of great prestige as well and then skipping a bit another lock.
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I was then I asked.
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I then had an argument in my sales manager with my managing director at that time he was managing director of this James Pattinson. I had
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. An argument with him and he told me come in the next day I'd come in on Monday and be prepared to travel to Scotland. And it was on a personal grounds that we had this argument. So I came in on the Monday morning prepared for that but in the meantime I'd been offered another job and I said I'd let these people know I've been offered the job as a sales manager for the newly constituted Warner Pathé company and I said well I now think about it and let them know and I went there next Monday morning and hadn't made any deal with them. And now in the next on the Monday morning and. Mr. Parkinson said well I was a bit hasty and I was talking to Mr. scorchers was over and Mr. Schaus doesn't want you to leave and so you don't have to do this or that.
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What was it he was going to do you was going to sort of take you away from London was yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah. Yes.
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And he said Mr Scorer's doesn't it. Oh no I've got it slightly wrong. I had this other job offered and I was to make my mind up. And when he talked to me over the weekend on those lines I phoned up these people and said well what is that. That you will find me is it firm up and said Oh yes. I said well I'm going to take it. I said I'm going to take it now I'm going to tell you why I'm going to pay you. Did I tell them the circumstances. So I went in on the Monday morning still prepared to move around because they're still under contract. And then it transpired that Mr scorer said he didn't want to leave. He'd heard about what was going on and did one more day leaving the sun and I said I'm sorry now I'll give my word to the people and that didn't go over very well with Mr Pattinson because it didn't hold him in good stead. But having given my word I wouldn't go back on it and. I made a move there and then so a fortnight later I was the sales manager you are the one you Warner Pathé company. They have a sales manager but seeing it was a combined company they felt that if they took either sales money to the one from one or the one Brumback they would not have the independence or they would not perceived the independence that a new man would have and that's why they wanted me to go to them. And so I took that one and that lasted.
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I know I may not be in sequence but that lasted about a year to a year and are very nice people very good to get on with mates and very good friends including Abilene Goodlatte. Clark is the studios as you know. And I made very good friends with them. Then one morning I received a call from someone who will be nameless tell you that. Would I go round and have breakfast with him and his wife and I went round and had breakfast there sumptious Westend flat and they said that Mr scorchers on a Murray Silverstone had been on the phone and they would like me to go back as the managing director and that's all well. Think about it and it was a very attractive for me to do that and they told me that Mr Pattinson was leaving and. Mr Scorer's particularly wanted me to go as the managing director and go back. So I talked to the principal of the company and others them tell us what had happened and. They the three gentlemen the director said well we don't want you to go.
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We would not let you go except we believe that this is justice to you and to go back to your own company. He is right and we will stand in your way which is very very nice. And so I arrived back as managing director of 20th century Fox with us.
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Can you remember the year or do you remember the year.
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The reason I ask is that the business is going through enormous transitions at this time roughly this time I would think is that right. Because 46 was the peak year for admissions and thereafter the business is going to fall away much later in the fifties.
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I would say it was in the late 50s right late 50s so during that time you left Ireland. What postwar town about 40 years after four
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. Or six maybe so for ten years or so you've been in a senior sales position in this country. Well no that is the period of the beginning of the decline of the cinema industry isn't it. I am curious what your recollections are of your attitudes towards the way the company tried to cope. There's another question which is that you say scorers didn't want you to leave. How close had you become to the most senior management of all. I'm curious the extent to which they were aware of the day to day operations of something very.
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I think that's a very very good question because frankly until that happened I knew that Mr scorers knew there was a sales manager called Livingstone but I did not have any relationship which made me feel that he was aware of what was going on.
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It was quite a surprise to me to hear that Mr scorchers had intervened and said I dont want him to go. What does he want to stay in interaction. What does he want to say. I said in the matter of what I want now given my word. Its interesting. Later on it was through most scorers that I returned as managing director and it was through his direct direct way.
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He'd noted you somehow the way he molested them.
[00:41:04:460] - SPEAKER: M8

Certainly when I left Fox the first thing I knew that even knew existed was that he said don't go.
[00:41:14:840] - SPEAKER: M2

You referred a moment ago first who runs the company and in those days one built one's career within the company. Presumably there wasn't a lot of musical chairs or chopping and changing as well.
[00:41:27:290] - SPEAKER: M15

There was another lot of chopping and changing and in fact the attitude chopping and changing has altered completely. You would be looking to have your career as much as possible to retain your employment with the company that you were with the new hopefully you would be recognised and you would proceed with your career in that category. I don't think that's the attitude in recent years at all and I think in recent years in the film business it's been a mantra of having a contract and looking for the next opportunity and it is exactly but know that there was. Much more of a feeling of loyalty to the company. But I must admit that over the whole period
[00:42:19:910] - SPEAKER: F6

. I believe I was very lucky in that I respected the people I worked with and worked for and I found that they spoke the language that I did.
[00:42:36:500] - SPEAKER: M15

I believed in being honourable and business and I certainly did not. But the people I worked for enabled me to continue with the ethics and the principles that I personally wanted to have in the industry. I reckon I was very fortunate. I was working with people I thought were very honorable people.
[00:43:00:220] - SPEAKER: M2

So Fox was the company and integrity. Were there other companies that will also. Would you say or was that the prevailing industry wide.
[00:43:08:240] - SPEAKER: F6

I would say that Fox surpassed it. I was saying that Fox were
[00:43:13:390] - SPEAKER: M2

. Monks and Berry who said that person would it have been the scorer's brothers scorers I would say in the running you had with us and you said it was personal. Did personalities intrude into company dealings greatly or was it very much of doing the job getting down to work and keeping personalities out of it. Personalities nowadays again are so important.
[00:43:43:020] - SPEAKER: M8

No I don't think I think I can even tell you I don't think there's any reason why not. Scorers on the Paddington Nabby's.
[00:43:53:470] - SPEAKER: F6

I've had this approach from Warner path and I was thinking about it and I had promised Pattinson that I would not take another job. I think he was a little bit scared but I might be moving and I promised him I would not take any other job without letting him know and he came to the office one day and costed me that I'd taken another job which was absolutely untrue completely untrue.
[00:44:27:530] - SPEAKER: F7

And he went off the deep end and I said well you either believe me or even believe your formant and it was only when that position was precipitated that I phoned back these people and said Where is this job and when to take it. And that was the reason that was the contretemps we had and let me